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	<title>Comments on: Refuting Oneself Elegantly: Plato&#8217;s Third Man Argument</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Livermore</title>
		<link>http://anagrammatically.com/2010/06/21/refuting-oneself-elegantly-platos-third-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-1809</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Livermore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternative way  of stating  Plato&#039;s criticism of his own theory is by trying to answer questions about the relationship between forms and presumed instances of them.  What is for a triangle to be an intance of an ideal triange  the form of triangle  In Plato&#039;s terms - what is for triagnle to particapate in the form of triangles ?  Is there a form for that participation relationship?  If so then then  that relatonship must be intance of itself and there must be another or third f0rm for the particapation relation and so on ad infinitum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative way  of stating  Plato&#8217;s criticism of his own theory is by trying to answer questions about the relationship between forms and presumed instances of them.  What is for a triangle to be an intance of an ideal triange  the form of triangle  In Plato&#8217;s terms &#8211; what is for triagnle to particapate in the form of triangles ?  Is there a form for that participation relationship?  If so then then  that relatonship must be intance of itself and there must be another or third f0rm for the particapation relation and so on ad infinitum.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the ideal rectangle &quot;that which can not be any more rectangular&quot; ?  I mean - you can&#039;t have a more ideal rectangle than an ideal rectangle.  I thought the whole point of a Form was that you couldn&#039;t have anything more perfect.  Do Form&#039;s need their own Forms?    The Third Man Argument always confused me...  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the ideal rectangle &#8220;that which can not be any more rectangular&#8221; ?  I mean &#8211; you can&#8217;t have a more ideal rectangle than an ideal rectangle.  I thought the whole point of a Form was that you couldn&#8217;t have anything more perfect.  Do Form&#8217;s need their own Forms?    The Third Man Argument always confused me&#8230;  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Antonios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 14:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I think you&#039;re strictly right, Anatola, but if we save Plato from himself, we can interpret his ethics without reference to the Forms.

For instance, if we interpret Plato as saying that we all have a moral sense, an inner knowledge of what is good and what is not, and philosophers have a better ability to articulate and grasp that moral core in every one of us, then there is no mention of the Forms and Plato&#039;s ethics seems defensible (whether or not it&#039;s right or not is another question).

Now I believe that&#039;s the essence of what Plato argued and the Forms are not necessarily that important in his ethics. In fact, I would argue that Plato created his metaphysical views to add support to his ethical views, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I think you&#8217;re strictly right, Anatola, but if we save Plato from himself, we can interpret his ethics without reference to the Forms.</p>
<p>For instance, if we interpret Plato as saying that we all have a moral sense, an inner knowledge of what is good and what is not, and philosophers have a better ability to articulate and grasp that moral core in every one of us, then there is no mention of the Forms and Plato&#8217;s ethics seems defensible (whether or not it&#8217;s right or not is another question).</p>
<p>Now I believe that&#8217;s the essence of what Plato argued and the Forms are not necessarily that important in his ethics. In fact, I would argue that Plato created his metaphysical views to add support to his ethical views, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Anatola</title>
		<link>http://anagrammatically.com/2010/06/21/refuting-oneself-elegantly-platos-third-man-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.

I just wanted to point out that this also explodes Plato&#039;s moral theories. Although (to my deep irritation) most popular and classroom treatments of Plato&#039;s moral theories ignores his metaphysical views, it is clear that in the Dialogues Plato considers his ethical and metaethical views to be dependent upon and derived from his metaphysical views. Without &#039;the form of the Good&#039;, Plato&#039;s morality is nothing more than a shell game in which all cups are empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.</p>
<p>I just wanted to point out that this also explodes Plato&#8217;s moral theories. Although (to my deep irritation) most popular and classroom treatments of Plato&#8217;s moral theories ignores his metaphysical views, it is clear that in the Dialogues Plato considers his ethical and metaethical views to be dependent upon and derived from his metaphysical views. Without &#8216;the form of the Good&#8217;, Plato&#8217;s morality is nothing more than a shell game in which all cups are empty.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been looking for an explanation for the 3rd man argument for ages, and I think I might finally understand it! Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking for an explanation for the 3rd man argument for ages, and I think I might finally understand it! Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: ..</title>
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		<dc:creator>..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was very, very easy to understand. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was very, very easy to understand. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this!</description>
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