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	<title>Comments on: The Book of Sand (El Libro de Arena) by Jorge Luis Borges, Translated</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 12:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Book of Sand&quot; reminds me of the Internet. I have lost count of the number of times I sat down at my computer to look up some item of information, only to find myself still sitting there hours later, reading about things completely unrelated to what I initially wanted to find. Come to think of it, that is how I found myself at this site, reading this short story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Book of Sand&#8221; reminds me of the Internet. I have lost count of the number of times I sat down at my computer to look up some item of information, only to find myself still sitting there hours later, reading about things completely unrelated to what I initially wanted to find. Come to think of it, that is how I found myself at this site, reading this short story.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this wondrous translation and edits!  I think this work is a masterpiece and so appreciate your effort to do it justice.  It&#039;s a Book of the Infinite, as many as grains of sand, and those are countable by One Being alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this wondrous translation and edits!  I think this work is a masterpiece and so appreciate your effort to do it justice.  It&#8217;s a Book of the Infinite, as many as grains of sand, and those are countable by One Being alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alice, a big thank you for the sterling comment. I hadn&#039;t realised there was such a link, and it certainly enriches the two stories.

I have an even greater appreciation of Borges now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alice, a big thank you for the sterling comment. I hadn&#8217;t realised there was such a link, and it certainly enriches the two stories.</p>
<p>I have an even greater appreciation of Borges now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ending is even more fitting than you might think! Do you remember the Library of Babel? I don&#039;t think anyone could know of Borges without knowing of it. In it Borges describes a library containing every possible book, by virtue of containing every possible combination of letters. Many men search in vain for books of secrets in that library, or for their futures, never finding anything.

The last thought in that story was this, the fourth and final footnote:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/library_of_babel.html&quot;&gt;Letizia Álvarez de Toledo has observed that this vast Library is useless: rigorously speaking, a single volume would be sufficient, a volume of ordinary format, printed in nine or ten point type, containing an infinite number if infinitely thin leaves. (In the early seventeenth century, Cavalieri said that all solid bodies are the superimposition of an infinite number of planes.) The handling of this silky vade mecum would not be convenient: each apparent page would unfold into other analogous ones; the inconceivable middle page would have no reverse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was possibly this early thought that led Borges to (many years) later write the Book of Sand, and so by now it counts as a foreshadowing, though the author didn&#039;t know it at the time.

So how fitting it is, then, that the Book of Sand ends by being lost in a vast library, harking back to the Library of Babel and its mysterious volumes, which in turn foreshadows the Book of Sand, in an endless loop befitting Borges!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ending is even more fitting than you might think! Do you remember the Library of Babel? I don&#8217;t think anyone could know of Borges without knowing of it. In it Borges describes a library containing every possible book, by virtue of containing every possible combination of letters. Many men search in vain for books of secrets in that library, or for their futures, never finding anything.</p>
<p>The last thought in that story was this, the fourth and final footnote:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/library_of_babel.html"><p>Letizia Álvarez de Toledo has observed that this vast Library is useless: rigorously speaking, a single volume would be sufficient, a volume of ordinary format, printed in nine or ten point type, containing an infinite number if infinitely thin leaves. (In the early seventeenth century, Cavalieri said that all solid bodies are the superimposition of an infinite number of planes.) The handling of this silky vade mecum would not be convenient: each apparent page would unfold into other analogous ones; the inconceivable middle page would have no reverse.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was possibly this early thought that led Borges to (many years) later write the Book of Sand, and so by now it counts as a foreshadowing, though the author didn&#8217;t know it at the time.</p>
<p>So how fitting it is, then, that the Book of Sand ends by being lost in a vast library, harking back to the Library of Babel and its mysterious volumes, which in turn foreshadows the Book of Sand, in an endless loop befitting Borges!</p>
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		<title>By: 2.21.12 &#171; mco499spring2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>2.21.12 &#171; mco499spring2012</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Syllabus &#171; mco499spring2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syllabus &#171; mco499spring2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Antonios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 02:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I can comment further:

- you&#039;re right: I looked it up and Hurley made a howler by translating &lt;em&gt;matear&lt;/em&gt; as &lt;em&gt;butchering&lt;/em&gt; rather than something like &lt;em&gt;passing the bombilla around drinking mate&lt;/em&gt; (it&#039;s specifically mate they&#039;re drinking in the social way that it&#039;s done over there rather than the tea-drinking style of others around the world). Hurley must have missed the &lt;em&gt;e&lt;/em&gt; in &lt;em&gt;matear&lt;/em&gt; and read it as &lt;em&gt;matar&lt;/em&gt;.

One of the worst howlers, though, was committed by Anthony Kerrigan, I think it was. The translation of the &lt;em&gt;The Lottery of Babylon&lt;/em&gt; made reference to the race between the tortoise and the hare when it should have been a reference Zeno&#039;s paradox and the race between the tortoise and Achilles!

- Guillermo Martinez&#039;s books look like exactly the kind I&#039;d love. Will definitely have to read some of his works. He does make reference to Wittgenstein&#039;s rule-following paradox it seems, at least according to this review: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/feb/05/featuresreviews.guardianreview13

- I&#039;m more familiar with the rule-following paradox in relation to Quine&#039;s work, i.e. for a set of data, there are countless explanations or theories that can account for the data. The only way we decide between the theories is via judgement, which, fortunately or unfortunately, is not deteministic.

And I love Wittgenstein&#039;s quip when asked about how natural it seems that the sun revolves around the earth given what we see: &quot;And how would it look if the earth revolved around the sun&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I can comment further:</p>
<p>- you&#8217;re right: I looked it up and Hurley made a howler by translating <em>matear</em> as <em>butchering</em> rather than something like <em>passing the bombilla around drinking mate</em> (it&#8217;s specifically mate they&#8217;re drinking in the social way that it&#8217;s done over there rather than the tea-drinking style of others around the world). Hurley must have missed the <em>e</em> in <em>matear</em> and read it as <em>matar</em>.</p>
<p>One of the worst howlers, though, was committed by Anthony Kerrigan, I think it was. The translation of the <em>The Lottery of Babylon</em> made reference to the race between the tortoise and the hare when it should have been a reference Zeno&#8217;s paradox and the race between the tortoise and Achilles!</p>
<p>- Guillermo Martinez&#8217;s books look like exactly the kind I&#8217;d love. Will definitely have to read some of his works. He does make reference to Wittgenstein&#8217;s rule-following paradox it seems, at least according to this review: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/feb/05/featuresreviews.guardianreview13" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/feb/05/featuresreviews.guardianreview13</a></p>
<p>- I&#8217;m more familiar with the rule-following paradox in relation to Quine&#8217;s work, i.e. for a set of data, there are countless explanations or theories that can account for the data. The only way we decide between the theories is via judgement, which, fortunately or unfortunately, is not deteministic.</p>
<p>And I love Wittgenstein&#8217;s quip when asked about how natural it seems that the sun revolves around the earth given what we see: &#8220;And how would it look if the earth revolved around the sun&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Antonios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you enjoyed it, Curtis.

My &lt;em&gt;From the nineteenth century I’d hazard&lt;/em&gt; is a translation of &lt;em&gt;Será del siglo diecinueve&lt;/em&gt;. By my understanding, the use of the future tense, i.e. &lt;em&gt;será&lt;/em&gt; instead of &lt;em&gt;es&lt;/em&gt;, can be used to indicate uncertainty or probability, which is why I added the &lt;em&gt;I&#039;d hazard&lt;/em&gt;.

On the sentence starting  &lt;em&gt;Acaso para dar a entender que los términos...&lt;/em&gt;, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it was a reference to something else. What I would be surprised about, however, is that it was a reference to Wittgenstein. I&#039;ve never read anything to indicate that Borges read Wittgenstein -- or any other 20th-century philosopher for that matter. I remember reading that he couldn&#039;t be bothered with Heidegger because his prose is so abstruse and inelegant, and that&#039;s the only example I remember of Borges referring to a 20th-century philosopher. I&#039;d love to know if that&#039;s not the case, though.

As for Guillermo Martinez and the Hurley&#039;s translation of the &lt;em&gt;History of Eternity&lt;/em&gt;, I&#039;ll have to get back to you on that: I&#039;ve not heard of Guillermo Martinez and the &lt;em&gt;History of Eternity&lt;/em&gt; is not something that immediately springs to mind.

Having said that, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Hurley had mistranslated Borges. I&#039;m no fan of Hurley&#039;s, and here&#039;s where I explain why in more detail:

&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;http://anagrammatically.com/2008/08/14/hurleys-inelegant-borges-an-exegesis-part-i/&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;http://anagrammatically.com/2008/09/15/hurley%E2%80%99s-inelegant-borges-an-exegesis-part-ii-of-ii/&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you enjoyed it, Curtis.</p>
<p>My <em>From the nineteenth century I’d hazard</em> is a translation of <em>Será del siglo diecinueve</em>. By my understanding, the use of the future tense, i.e. <em>será</em> instead of <em>es</em>, can be used to indicate uncertainty or probability, which is why I added the <em>I&#8217;d hazard</em>.</p>
<p>On the sentence starting  <em>Acaso para dar a entender que los términos&#8230;</em>, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it was a reference to something else. What I would be surprised about, however, is that it was a reference to Wittgenstein. I&#8217;ve never read anything to indicate that Borges read Wittgenstein &#8212; or any other 20th-century philosopher for that matter. I remember reading that he couldn&#8217;t be bothered with Heidegger because his prose is so abstruse and inelegant, and that&#8217;s the only example I remember of Borges referring to a 20th-century philosopher. I&#8217;d love to know if that&#8217;s not the case, though.</p>
<p>As for Guillermo Martinez and the Hurley&#8217;s translation of the <em>History of Eternity</em>, I&#8217;ll have to get back to you on that: I&#8217;ve not heard of Guillermo Martinez and the <em>History of Eternity</em> is not something that immediately springs to mind.</p>
<p>Having said that, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Hurley had mistranslated Borges. I&#8217;m no fan of Hurley&#8217;s, and here&#8217;s where I explain why in more detail:</p>
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<li><a href="http://anagrammatically.com/2008/08/14/hurleys-inelegant-borges-an-exegesis-part-i/" rel="nofollow">http://anagrammatically.com/2008/08/14/hurleys-inelegant-borges-an-exegesis-part-i/</a></li>
<li><a href="http://anagrammatically.com/2008/09/15/hurley%E2%80%99s-inelegant-borges-an-exegesis-part-ii-of-ii/" rel="nofollow">http://anagrammatically.com/2008/09/15/hurley%E2%80%99s-inelegant-borges-an-exegesis-part-ii-of-ii/</a></li>
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		<title>By: Curtis Tuckey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis Tuckey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the sentence &quot;Acaso para dar a entender que los términos de una serie infinita aceptan cualquier número.&quot;  It appears to be a rather obscure reference---of the kind that Borges was so fond of tossing out---and none of the translations (or the original) make much sense to me.  But it might be a reference to &quot;Wittgenstein&#039;s rule-following paradox,&quot; which in some versions says that a series, whatever rule it might appear to follow in any initial sub-sequence, can be continued in any other arbitrary, rule-breaking way.  (Shades of Hume, but Kripke found it more profound.)  Borges liked to mangle quotes slightly.  A challenge to the able translator: find something similar in Wittgenstein.  (Now that I think of it, there might be something on this in Guillermo Martinez&#039;s Los crimenes imperceptibles, but  I don&#039;t have a copy handy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the sentence &#8220;Acaso para dar a entender que los términos de una serie infinita aceptan cualquier número.&#8221;  It appears to be a rather obscure reference&#8212;of the kind that Borges was so fond of tossing out&#8212;and none of the translations (or the original) make much sense to me.  But it might be a reference to &#8220;Wittgenstein&#8217;s rule-following paradox,&#8221; which in some versions says that a series, whatever rule it might appear to follow in any initial sub-sequence, can be continued in any other arbitrary, rule-breaking way.  (Shades of Hume, but Kripke found it more profound.)  Borges liked to mangle quotes slightly.  A challenge to the able translator: find something similar in Wittgenstein.  (Now that I think of it, there might be something on this in Guillermo Martinez&#8217;s Los crimenes imperceptibles, but  I don&#8217;t have a copy handy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Tuckey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis Tuckey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am delighted by your translation, but in which edition did you find &quot;I&#039;d hazard&quot; in  &quot;---Ser\&#039;a del siglo diecinueve ---observ\&#039;e.&quot;  I know that Borges was known to fiddle with the text in different editions.
On a separate note, did you notice that in the &quot;History of Eternity,&quot; Hurley has the gauchos butchering in the kitchen, rather than making tea?  (Or is this an equivocation in Borges?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am delighted by your translation, but in which edition did you find &#8220;I&#8217;d hazard&#8221; in  &#8220;&#8212;Ser\&#8217;a del siglo diecinueve &#8212;observ\&#8217;e.&#8221;  I know that Borges was known to fiddle with the text in different editions.<br />
On a separate note, did you notice that in the &#8220;History of Eternity,&#8221; Hurley has the gauchos butchering in the kitchen, rather than making tea?  (Or is this an equivocation in Borges?)</p>
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